David Bohm's Implicate order

My view on the processes in and by topological holons is very related to some ideas of David Bohm. I see the first holons as the first geometrical structures (enveloped membrane), and that is probably what Bohm called the implicate order.

On the Bohm Dialogue mailing list one of the organizer, Donald Factor, posted (Fri 14 Dec 2007) next text about "David Bohm in a nutshell". A very interesting nut in that shell. BTW, Don Factor worked together with Bohm, they started on number of Bohm Dialogue Groups.

Don Factor's short analysis:

Quote: "Someone asked the other day if someone could sum up Bohm's ideas in a nutshell? It got me thinking about whether there is a key or central core to all of his work. And this is what I have come up with. Its more than a nutshell, but it shouldn't require killing too many more trees.

For what its worth:

The central idea implicit in all of Bohm's work from Quantum physics right through to his psychology, sociology, dialogue, and metaphysics, has to do primarily with process. He saw, and tried to describe whatever interested him, in terms of process. For Bohm there are no "things"; that is, there are no fixed objects, not even fixed meanings. But it is not so much that all is flux but that all is in process. And even chaos is seen as an order of perhaps infinite complexity. So ideas such as "that which is" or "ultimate truth" when treated as final or fixed make no sense. "The whole" means the whole process. And his suggestion that "the whole organizes the parts" makes great sense when one see all the sub or dependent processes as parts of this whole process which, by definition, are controlled or organized by it. Whatever else that we care to consider has to, therefore, be treated as an abstraction. from this holomovement. This, of course, suggests that any abstraction must be understood in terms of its immediate context within the whole process. Terms that he used such as reason, lawful or coherent, mean simply that they do not break the laws of the "the holomovement" which is held together by "information". This, by the way, does not just mean, information for us, but information exchanged between the parts and the whole - or what Gregory Bateson called "a difference that makes a difference." And such ideas as reason and coherence enter in as the result of all of this.

Bohm's process is rather different from Whitehead's Process Philosophy which is similar but also very different. Bohm's is simpler, based primarily in the view that he described as unbroken wholeness in flowing movement. I think the difficulty that many have had with Bohm's philosophical vision is that they have paid more attention to the unbroken wholeness aspect than to the flowing movement aspect. But it is the movement or constantly unfolding - from our explicate point of view - process that gives evidence of unbroken wholeness as the underlying medium. It is the holomovement.

Around here there has been a lot of talk about self and self as the quintessence that is ultimately unknowable. But why should it be unknowable? Because it is a process that is constantly unfolding or enfolding from and into a deeper level which is also unfolding and enfolding and so on, possibly ad infinitum; we don't know. There is no ego, but rather an "egoic process". Thought, or TAS as it gets called, is an imaginary entity, a thing, or the result of "thing-thinking". Our language tends to reenforce this, but it is not language that does it, since the language too, like all else, is in process. TAS, as a fixed mechanical part of our mentation or thinking process does not exist as such but only as a part of a process that tends to capture our attention. And there are reasons for this, but mainly it is because for a few hundred years the model that has dominated western culture is one that presumes separate objects interacting in a cartesian space.

The idea that I am distinct from someone else, is only the case within a particular context. Of course it is the context where we spend most our waking lives, so it has its own significance. But that too is also in process. I am not identical with who I was a few hours ago and If I am distinct from the reader of these words, that distinction has already begun to change. As I write this little essay I can feel or sense changes which make me keep going back and rewriting sentences or parts of sentences in order to make them more coherent.

So I don't want to go much further here except to make note of Bohm's use of the word "thought" in its sense of the past participle of the verb "to think" to denote "the active response of memory".That is all that TAS is and what makes it worth attending to is the fact that it is active, that it actually effects the world beyond the skin of the rememberer. And this is all too often forgotten.

Anyway, this is as far as I can go for now. But tomorrow is another day.
don. End of Quote.

Holons are enveloped/entangled Single Membrane.

In the previous post I gave an image with four sets of flat layers of a food foil. The more layers are used the more dense, rigid and observable they become.

To give a more visual understanding I have bend all four, shaping them in a type of thimble. You will see that the left one is transparent, where the right one is no longer transparent. The right one is like a solid piece.

These thimble-like holons are multi-layered. Where in our experiment they are bend in one action, in the holon building up they are the result caused by pelastrations (penetration of a yin part by a yang part). In next image you see on the left how the membrane (1) penetrates a holon (4D) which has 15 layers. I superimposed the image of the 32-layer set on membrane design.

The holon 4D is already a composition of previous holons. To see his history click here.

Interesting is to notice that the new holon 5H has 31 layers. The reason lays in the orientation, meaning: Which of the two coupling holons will be active (Yang) or passive (Yin)? That makes the difference. So when the Membrane (1) pushes in 4D (13 layers) you get 31 layers (Holon 4H), but when 4D (13 layers) pushes in the Membrane tube (2 layers) you get Holon 5G with 17 layers.

This layer approach bring me to next analysis:

At the end of the schema - Buddhism Level - the reality is consider to have two states, namely one created by the "Particles of Space" and one by "Clear Light". In the topological holon approach this is explained again by the ORIENTATION of pelastrations.

In next image you will notice on the left that in the first step the membrane (1) pelastrates itself creating a first holon 2* (having 3 layers). During the second step this 2*-holon- being passive - is then pelastrated by the membrane (1) and this action results in a new holon 3B (having 7 layers). On the right you will notice that during the first step the membrane (1) pelastrates itself also creating a new first holon 2* (having 3 layers). During his second step this 2*-holon - being active - will pelastrate the membrane (1) and this action results in a new holon 3A (having only 5 layers).
You can find more about 3A and 3B on this webpage.

Because the 3A-holons have less layers, and a more harmonic structure, we can call these type of holons more spiritual. So all more complex holons that descend from them will be more related to mental or spiritual processes, like in humans to the mind. Since the 3B-holons have more layers, and have more disharmonic structure(s), this type of holons will be more related to the physical universe. So all more complex holons descending from them will be more related to material processes, like the human body. However more complex holons can have combinations of both, like we can see in the possible mathematical combinations given by the Catalan Numbers. Some will be possible, others not due to the density of outer layers or the lack of force to pelastrate.

During the reincarnation process a pelastratic coupling is made between physical holons and mind/spirit holons, in a joint that will least till death. The vibrations of the Mind/Spirit will influence the Body and the daily experiences of the Body holon will influence the Mind/Spirit holon.
Next image shows a general design of a holon (in this case a human) which has incorporated 5 layers of spiritual/mind holons, which are the koshas. Because the koshas have a finer membrane quality/structure they will be "seen" outside the body. When koshas pelastrate with each other, they make new holons, which are the CHAKRA's. Chakra's will be like an energetic master plan that decides how the body development will happen. Therefor Karmatic disharmonies will be reflected/manifested/incorporated in the new reincarnated body structure.

Holons and Matter

A central enigma in Physics is the concept of Mass; another is Attraction (Gravity, inter-stress). My view is that both concepts are another name for the same.

The topological approach of holons is in essence non-commutative geometry, where the only postulate is that the background is indestructible and dynamic.
That dynamic background – a singularity called the Membrane or Mother - has the potency to create children or sub-sets which will be specific geometric manifestations, called holons. Holons are then specific structures (baskets, bells) made out of parts of the indestructible membrane. Due to the indestructible unity between holons and the membrane the dynamics of the membrane cause kinetic manifestations between the layers of each holon; which may create in a holon new sub-holons.

The motion in holons leads, in example to: Electricity, magnetism, strong and weak radiation, gravity, stress, love, memory, … these all are different names for the inter-layer actions in holons.

Through holons the membrane manifests itself in geometric and kinetic way.

Thus having a holon structure implicates that there is incorporated holon dynamics. They go together. A holon – being a multi-layered membrane structure – will always vibrate, have a proper frequency.

Every holon, be it a mental construct, a deity, a fundamental particle, a photon, an electron, a neutron, a proton, an atom, a molecule, a person, an object, will always have it’s own structure and frequency (or set of sub-frequencies).

But holons are sub-sets of the indestructible membrane and thus always connected by the membrane with other holons. This means that holons can exchange energies with each other, and are always – directly or indirectly - in relationship(s) with each other. That is what the fundamental interconnectivity is about.

The quality and quantity of this exchange of energies depends of many parameters. Here various factors will play like: position on the membrane, motion together with the brane, density of holon clusters, the holon structure and it’s sub-holons, etc. Some holons will be open for exchange, thus dialogue and openness, where other holons will refuse or repulse exchange (disharmonic).

The layer-structure in holons decides if and how we can observe them. When holons have a higher number of layers we will consider them to be “matter”. Next image shows this.


The upper left frame shows four layers of a food folio on each other. This 4-layer-set is transparent en still very flexible. Below on the right is shown a set with 56 layers on top of each other. This 56-layer-set has now a “silver color” and is not very flexible anymore. Interesting is the “weight”. My measuring scale has a threshold of 1 gram. The 4-layer-set gives nothing, just like the 8-layer-set. No weight, because their weight is less than 1 gram. The 56-layer-set measures 6 grams, and the 32-set 3 grams!

In physics the 4-set and 8-set doesn’t exist, only the 32-set and the 56-set are “real”. Because they can be observed, they can be measured. However we know now that also below the threshold (in Physics: the Planck scale) real holons exist, even if they cannot be observed.

This simple experiment makes us understand also that holons – which are composed only of layers of membrane(s) - can make physical “objects” and phenomena, and are able to “cause” effects (like influencing the weight scale) and events.

The scientific terms Weight and Mass are - in the holon view - related to the number of membrane layers holons have and how the layers are structured, or how strong or complex the curvature or enveloping of the membrane (spacetime) happened.

The engineering concept of topological holons solves the dichotomy between the Einstein model of relativity and the Quantum model. Topological holons are structural quantum baskets – having proper frequencies and thus automatically representing in-formation (having a value, a proper given name) and behaving sometime in unpredictable ways due to hidden variables, but the concept to come to topological holons is based on the enfolding and unfolding of the indestructible background that can be called the Tathagata Womb or the Cosmic Egg, the Mother or the Membrane.

What concerns me is that some Buddhists try to find the answers of the fundamental interconnectivity in the Quantum physics. Like in the Pied Piper of Hamelin they run behind materialists promoting as the crucial realities: Statistics, Probabilities and Uncertainty. These concepts however are highly contradictory to the principle of the fundamental interdependent causality (Pratitya-samutpada).

The Difference about talking about Coca-Cola and having the recipe

The Difference about talking about Coca-Cola and having the recipe

We can talk hours and years about holons, like - after tasting a new mystic beverage "Nolohs"- we can talk and discuss for hours what type of basic materials were used, and which flavors and ingredients were added. Hundred people will have hundred different ideas because the taste sensation of everyone is different. However the brewer knows. He has the recipe. Before making his new beverage the brewer had the engineering concept of how the new beverage could be made.

The difference between talking about Coca-Cola and having the recipe of Coca-Cola is on transcendent level. It's the difference between assumption and knowledge. Theories versus engineering. It's the difference between words and technical design.

So it's time to bring the holon concept to a higher level. And then, from an engineering understanding, analyze where it brings us.

The prime essence in looking to holons is not: What do holons do, or What type of holons exists, ... no, the real question is: How are holons made?
So my open question to Ken Wilber is: Mr. Wilber, how holons are made?
And, Mr. Wilber, what about the energetic design of holons? How do holons exchange energy (information)? How vibrations are mediated in holons and holarchy, and how is that energy stored?

If you can't wait for Mr. Wilber's answers, you can check my website mu6, and start with the first holon page
My engineering hypothesis is that our universe is build of topological holons, where holons are sub-sets of a single dynamic background membrane (spacetime), which is an empty sphere with a dynamic membrane. Holons, the sub-sets - will be multi-layered. The background membrane is non-breakable and cannot be torn in pieces or cut and re-glued like sciences tends to do. Man cannot cut God in pieces!
By a very simple action one part of this membrane can penetrate another part of the membrane.
An active part penetrates a passive part. A Yang parts penetrates a Yin part. Since the membrane is non-breakable this local penetration "creates" a new zone of duality, with a Yin cover and a Yang center. That's a holon.
Thus holons are still membrane, but are locally re-structured membrane.
These holons are SUB-SETS of the Whole.
The movements of the membrane (the Whole) will cause effects in the holons, and the effects in the holons will cause feedback effects in the whole.
You can see holons like capacitors in electronics, where energy is stored for a certain time, and then given released under certain conditions.



This topological approach of holons is confirmed by mathematics. Once we have holons we can build up complex structures and hierarchies of holons, where each level of holons can combine/couple also with the original membrane. Everywhere on the membrane such complex structures can grow and they can inter-combine.

On this webpage is shown a causal diagram of the growth of these holons, and the design respects the growth as indicated by the Catalan numbers in Mathematics. That diagram is also given as a animated gif. During the first 5 steps of combinations 22 different holons (sub-sets) can be created from 1 (the membrane) which can be in the center of a holon, or in his outer layers. Each holon has it's unique layering structure, thus has a proper frequency or vibration mode like bells have.
The 22 holons with their unique layering, like 22 different type of bells. Because those 22 bells are connected with each other because they are made of the same membrane these 22 bells transfer, share and exchange vibrations.



Some characteristics of topological holons:
- Topological holons are made of dynamic and elastic membrane, thus represent STRESS.
- Topological holons are EMPTY because they only consist of layers of membrane (the layers, nothing else make a holon). Sunyata.
- Topological holons are FORM (structure).
- Topological holons represent a specific frequency, because the layers are interacting with each other, like in a bell the clapper hits the cup, or the cup hits the clapper. Proper frequency means: Pratitya-samutpada (Karmatic Wheel)
- Topological holons can combine to more complex holons, depending of the conditions. Less complex level will have ANATTA related to the more complex combinations like we humans.
- Topological holons can create between their layers new sub-holons (Children, storage of specific vibrations = memory).
- Topological holons and their sub-holons can be harmonic and/or disharmonic, depending of how their membranes are interacting with each other.
- Topological holons interact with each other by direct contact or by vibrations emitted over the membrane(s), since all holons are made of the same single membrane.

If you read well you will find in this little list above the essentials of Buddhism. It's all logical and causal, nothing mystical or mythical.
When Buddha said: "Reduce Stress" (The cessation of stress) he meant to de-couple disharmonic sub-holons in your proper holon. The de-coupling of disharmonic sub-holons can happen by specific vibrations, such as mantra's, prayer, making mandala's, physical exercises like yoga, etc. or by tuning in on the deep membrane(s), thus by different kinds of meditation. All these way's of tuning can de-stress and de-couple disharmonic holons, and make free their energies to be repositioned in the way you want.
You - as a person, being a holon and being a sub-set of the Whole - can make easily and consciously contact with the deepest layers in yourself, which are part of the Whole.

To understand the fundamentals of Buddhism you don't need to know the Four Quadrants of Wilber, because that's analytic theory. Nicely formulated but not essential.

You just need to understand the fundamental concept of how energy is causally transformed and converted in holons and holarchy, and how they can de-couple (decay). It's all about exchange and storage of energy.

Finally, I want to state that this topological approach of holons - which emanate from a fundamental background - is the first logic system that might explain a God or a Logos, and the interconnectivity with it's members (sub-sets).

Traditional holon theory:

Koestler came up with the intellectual concept of holons. Koestler holons are a causal concept of connectivity, hierarchy and system integrity. A nice concept: A holon may be defined as 'one part within a larger whole that is itself also a whole containing smaller parts' -- a self-organizing phenomenon observed in all areas of life.

Some links on Holons:

1. Some 25 years ago, Arthur Koestler proposed the word "holon". It is a combination from the Greek holos = whole, with the suffix on which, as in proton or neutron, suggests a particle or part.

2. Holarchy is a word coined by Arthur Koestler. It is a combination between the Greek word 'holos' meaning whole and the word 'hierarchy'. It is a hierarchically organized structure of units or entities that are called 'Holons'.
Each Holon could be regarded as either a whole or as a part depending on how one looks at it. A Holon will look as a whole to those parts beneath it in the hierarchy, but it will look as a part to the wholes above it. So, a Holarchy is then a whole that is also a structure of parts that are in themselves wholes.

3. Arthur Koestler: "Parts and wholes in an absolute sense do not exist anywhere. The living organism and the body social are not assemblies of elementary bits; they are multi-levelled, hierarchically organised systems of sub-wholes containing sub-wholes of a lower order, like Chinese boxes. These sub-wholes - or "holons", as I have proposed to call them - are Janus-faced entities which display both the independent properties of wholes and the dependent properties of parts. Each holon must preserve and assert its autonomy, other wise the organism would lose its articulation and dissolve into an amorphous mass - but at the same time the holon must remain subordinate to the demands of the (existing or evolving) whole."

So, Koestler's concept is related to interconnectivity of energies, fundamental causality and hierarchy, but even to philosophy and religion.

4. Ken Wilber added some interesting extra's on Koestlers idea. Some of them sound however artificial.

Wilber, like Koestler, analyses holons only on the abstract level.

Of course you can google for more.

Dirk